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« Reply #1975 on: Aug 24, 2018 07:13 pm »

I don't think I've seen that one before. I've seen Zuko having an evil twin, Zuko being born after Azula, and Zuko and Azula simply being switched in terms of Ozai's favor, but not Zuko alone.

I'm not sure that Zuko would be more powerful, but he might be more brutal. I can see writers taking it a variety of ways, really, depending on what they want to say about nature vs nurture.
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« Reply #1976 on: Aug 24, 2018 07:17 pm »

I don't think I've seen that one before. I've seen Zuko having an evil twin, Zuko being born after Azula, and Zuko and Azula simply being switched in terms of Ozai's favor, but not Zuko alone.

I'm not sure that Zuko would be more powerful, but he might be more brutal. I can see writers taking it a variety of ways, really, depending on what they want to say about nature vs nurture.
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« Reply #1977 on: Aug 25, 2018 06:13 am »

I don't think I've seen that one before. I've seen Zuko having an evil twin, Zuko being born after Azula, and Zuko and Azula simply being switched in terms of Ozai's favor, but not Zuko alone.

I'm not sure that Zuko would be more powerful, but he might be more brutal. I can see writers taking it a variety of ways, really, depending on what they want to say about nature vs nurture.

Maybe “more powerful” wasn’t the best way of putting it. I meant maybe he’d force himself to progress faster since he would be entirely under Ozai’s thumb and the focus of all attention. Especially considering Ursa being dead and Iroh doing his military stuff throughout the majority of his childhood. But yeah, it wouldn’t make him a prodigy. Ozai would definitely have to try a different approach with him here. With only one heir, it’d be utter stupidity on his part if all he did was berate him.

I wonder how he’d be friend wise with essentially no competition to hog the attention. We never see him hanging around boys his own age. I’ve always pondered how a potential ”Zuko posse” might look.
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« Reply #1978 on: Aug 27, 2018 06:34 pm »

Zuko's lack of social life during his years in the Capital has always been a big blank spot in his history. If there's a "Royal Academy for Girls," then presumably there's a masculine equivalent, in which case Zuko must have somehow experienced it without emerging with a single lasting friend.

I addressed it in only one of my fanfics, and even then it was just in an aside describing Zuko having been pulled from school in favor of at-home tutoring because of an "incident."

Someone should write a story where Zuko goes back to his ten-year reunion as Fire Lord.
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« Reply #1979 on: Sep 01, 2018 09:04 am »

I actually doubt that Zuko being an only child - especially if Ursa died giving birth to him - wouldn't make him stronger. For one, I'm fairly sure that this would throw his relationship with Ozai even more off-track, even openly hostile, as Zuko blames Ozai for Ursa's death or projects his self-blame into his father. A dead mother is a big deal in these kinds of stories, after all. So Ozai would hate Zuko (the reason he did this in the show is not solved with Azula being non-existent), Zuko would hate Ozai, and the boy would vent his pent-up anger into the most obvious thing: his firebending. And we are talking about a lot of anger here, with no counterbalance because Ursa is gone.

Also, without Ursa and considering the above things, Ozai's little ploy with becoming the heir would backfire quite brutally. Zuko would be too eager to get down to business with his father, so when Ozai comes to kill him, there would be a running battle between the two. With lots of raw emotion and shouting. Like, the final scene would find them duking it out on the roof of the palace, in the middle of a thunderstorm, with Zuko shouting "I hate you, father! I HATE YOU!" and Ozai answering "Father?! You are not my son!" then the two blast each other at the same time, knocking each other unconscious. I expect this level of drama at the bare minimum.

Then Azulon would banish both for being so embarrassing, so the two would end up hunting the Avatar together to earn their place back. Cue in lots of anger and shouting and screwing over the other out of spite on one side, and the occasional back-to-back fight when they face a mutual enemy (like Zhao) and moments of "these two are not so different at all" on the other. This has the potential for a very interesting tale.
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« Reply #1980 on: Sep 01, 2018 12:58 pm »

Interesting ideas, Ato. I also wouldn’t mind if Ozai eventually came up with a plan involving Zuko to eventually overthrow Azulon and Iroh entirely. Maybe they could even try to lure Aang in with a false promise of peace.
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« Reply #1981 on: Sep 01, 2018 07:03 pm »

That's certainly a unique interpretation of how these characters would react. Cheesy I think it more likely that Ozai would shrug at Ursa's death and remarry ("If she was weak enough to die in childbirth, then the Fire Lord's experiment was over as soon as it began."), and Zuko's rage would make him a much worse Firebender because he's not patiently working on his breathing exercises and basics.

And then we could do a story with Zuko in a rivalry with a half-sibling.
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« Reply #1982 on: Sep 01, 2018 11:14 pm »

Half sibling might be interesting. But I might change the stats a bit to make the rivalry more even. You’d either get:
A. Nonbender who is an utter tactical genius
B. Prodigious firebender, but with Zhao’s level of stupidity

Or hell, even both. Zuko could be stuck in the middle there as Mr. Jack of All trades but master of none.
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« Reply #1983 on: May 05, 2019 08:57 am »

It centres around an adult avatar, 10,000 years or so from Korra's time. Vaatu has been reborn inside of the Avatar spirit and mostly taken over. It is revealed that it was always his plan for Korra to defeat him so he could be reborn inside the Avatar and become a true "dark avatar". This has led to a long line of "evil" avatars that have each brought about tyranny, destruction and chaos in the world. The world no longer remembers the good avatars like Korra and as a result the world fears and hates the Avatar.

I envision this story as a one-book thing that centres mostly around inner conflict and trying to defeat Vaatu which means bending won't be what drives the plot forward. Throughout the story the purpose of the Avatar's role will be questioned and I see it only coming to one resolution: It ends with the end of the Avatar cycle for good and leaves the people of the world to sort things out between themselves.

When our Avatar is introduced they have been in self-imposed exile for many years in some isolated part of the earth kingdom. For a past trauma which involved losing control in the "dark avatar state" and being responsible for a loved one's death. It is here they learn that they are the Avatar. Much like Aang's avatar state this would also be brought about when extreme trauma or overwhelming emotion takes hold.

Whenever we meet him or her we see that they are deeply afraid and constantly being tormented by Vaatu. Due to the past incident they know what Vaatu is capable of and fear the path they may go down as a result. They vow to never bend again for fear that Vaatu will take hold and make him/her evil. Our Avatar dosen't even know of Korra's existene which will play a crucial part later on.

Then by chance the Avatar will comes across the person who becomes their companion when they come to his/her defence. In a scene I imagine this companion is unable to fight a band of warlord mercenaries sent after him. The Avatar hears their cry for help but is extremely hesitant to intervene for fear that they will destroy the person he or she was trying to save as well as the warlord's mercenaries. However in the end the Avatar does decide to intervene and tries to help fight off the warlord's mercenaries without using bending. In this instance we see that the Avatar is a fairly good combat fighter as where they have come from beforehand meant they needed to be good at fighting to survive. Vaatu thrives off of violence and throughout the fight our Avatar can feel Vaatu trying to take hold and the Avatar trying to fight him off. In the end Vaatu does and we see a terrifying Avatar state where he/she has glowing red eyes.

From this instance we see the Vaatu having near complete control and starts to flick off the mercenaries as if they are nothing. Somehow the person who becomes their companion survives relatively unscathed. I don't feel that the companion should be the one to bring the Avatar out of this dark Avatar state. I feel it would be too much like when Katara manages to get Aang out of the Avatar state. After the Avatar comes out of the dark Avatar state they see what has happened and sits there despondently in utter horror.

However scared the companion is they know that the Avatar used to be capable of great good. This companion tries to join the Avatar who is seen running away from the scene before anyone else can be hurt. Eventually however the Avatar reluctantly allows the companion to join them as the companion does not give up. They convince the Avatar to come with him/her as they want to show the Avatar something. This companion knows about the existence of the good Avatars as they are a descendent of the new air nation from Korra's time in the last harmonic convergence. This companion shows the Avatar the statues of all their past lives and the Avatar comes to a realisation that they have a choice makes the decison to try and stop Vaatu. From then on they actively seek to go into the spirit world and find some semblance of past lives there. However they succeed in at least finding Korra and regaining their connection to her which Vaatu has blocked up until now. As for the rest of the past lives I am not sure. I have been debating with myself whether this would be a good thing or not as it was a decision that Bryke made for a reason and at the same time undoing the loss of past lives would undermine that. Either way I would like this Avatar to somehow find Aang again at least and be able to talk to him because that's admittedly the one loss that has hurt me the most. I also have this scene in my head where they come face to face with the face stealer and it is revealed that how the companion found the Avatar was no accident at all and in fact to do so made a pact with Koh the Face Stealer which came with a huge price. It is at this point that the companion's face is stolen by Koh which sends the Avatar into a fit of rage where they enter the Avatar state.

We learn that Avatar has a sister who was working with the warlord who up until this point has been more of a a background figure but still present. They understand that it wasn't the Avatar him/herself who caused the trauma and was infact Vaatu. They reconcile and this sister helps the Avatar to complete their quest of defeating Vaatu.

In this future we learn of a great war happened where benders teamed up to defeat the Avatar for good. This will have happened within some of the oldest people's lifetimes and they will remember what the world used to be like with a dark avatar. However whatever happened resulted in bending being essentially banished from the world and it was lost. People who used to be able to bend suddenly couldn't. It is thought that bending has been lost forever and that the Avatar has been completely defeated. At the time this story takes place there would still be old masters but would not regain bending until the after the Avatar has reawakened (cue the first traumatic dark avatar state incident) when harmonic convergence nears. Over the years news of this would spread and begin to hunt down the Avatar to try and defeat him/her again as people all over the world are gradually rediscovering bending.

I know this is a very depressing and dark-sounding story but I'd really like to know what you all think regardless. One other thing - I realise that this and after 10,000 years since Korra's time you would probably expect this to look like some futuristic sci-fi punk story. Instead I think the long line of Dark Avatars caused by Vaatu's presence would have halted any significant progress, causing a post apocalyptic like world. However if you think there should be technology then If I write this I will find a way to weave it in. Any feedback you can give me I'd be grateful for - And if I ever decided to write this would it sound like something you're interested in reading?
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