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Author Topic: How Did The Gaang Get To General Fong's Fortress?  (Read 698 times)
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« on: Oct 04, 2018 12:32 pm »

Sorry if this is covered elsewhere. Subject line says it all. If the gaang sailed with the northern water tribe navy to near general fongs fortress on the west coast of the earth kingdom, wouldnt they have had to sail through waters occupied by the fire nation? What gives?
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« Reply #1 on: Oct 04, 2018 02:44 pm »

Hi,

I only have access to the transcripts right now, but in it you can read the following:
Master Pakku: Fly straight to the Earth Kingdom base to the east of here.

Which means when the gang leaves pakku’s ship and fly away on appa, they are to the west of Fong’s base, which is indeed FN infested waters, but perhaps not fully controlled.

I found a map with detailed topography on the internet here: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ad/14/4e/ad144e37456591b453e047380255b0b8.jpg

They could have travelled on the Xiyan river to the western lake, and then on to Beipan river, out into open waters, past crescent island. The entire trip would have been entirely along the disputed borders of FN occupied territory.

No small feat indeed!
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« Reply #2 on: Oct 04, 2018 03:11 pm »

I feel like if they had taken that inland route, they would have been more familiar with the area by the time they ended up there on their way to Ba Sing Se...
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 05, 2018 12:18 am »

It isn’t as though the Fire Nation could track every square mile of the ocean, plus they had just recently lost an entire fleet in their attempt to take over the North Pole, probably weren’t in a position to patrol as much area as they had beforehand.
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« Reply #4 on: Oct 05, 2018 12:01 pm »

^ good point about the open waters. It doesn’t solve the question how they could sail up one river and down the other, the combined stretch the equivalent of traveling from Canada to Mexico in a very obvious and out of place NWT catamaran, with the FN frontline on ther port side and the EK front line on their starboard side, without raising so much as an eyebrow.
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 07, 2018 04:03 pm »

I mean, there's no rule that says the gAang had to stay with Pakku's ship for the whole trip. They could have met up with them at various points (as I'm sure Pakku's ship had to make landfall for supplies and whatnot), which would allow Pakku to sail through Fire Nation inspection points. It's not like the Fire Nation restricts all civilian movement. If they don't know that Pakku is a Waterbender, he's just an old sailor in blue.
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 08, 2018 01:30 am »

...or they might even have sailed east to Nanbei island, then south-east all the way across the Great Sea, and then east-north-east through the Silver sea, avoiding the entirety of FN occupied territory. that way the trip would be quite uneventful (assuming no storms or rough seas) and excusable to skip storywise.
It might even be a fast way to travel if the great ocean currents can carry the ship along in the right direction. plus i like the idea of the Water tribes secretly owning the backside of the planet.
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 08, 2018 03:44 pm »

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« Reply #8 on: Nov 11, 2018 03:21 pm »

I'm no wondering, is there any map that shoes the exact territory the Fire Nation held at the beginning of the show? Is it truly so that they only firmly controlled that which would later become the land of Republic City?
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« Reply #9 on: Nov 12, 2018 08:29 am »

well at one point during the Hundred Year War the Fire Nation forces under command of General Iroh, crown prince of the Fire Nation, punched through all the way to Ba Sing Se, after which he layed siege on its walls for six hundred days (about one and a half earth-years) before he yielded for reasons other than being outpowered or out of resources. he could have pressed on for longer.

i don't know how wide and therefore how much of a logistical obstruction the Xiyan and Beipan rivers are supposed to be, but they didn't stop General Iroh's war effort.

could make a nice side story about "the bridge over Xiyan River". telling about how it was conquered and held by Iroh as a vital part of his supply route until finally earth kingdom rebel forces manage to destroy it. Only for the rebels to find out they weren't able to destroy it because of their own skills, but because Iroh gave up his siege and secretly enabled them to destroy the bridge, cutting the FN supply route off at the Xiyan river. This event then defined the river as the border of the FN colonies, later to become the United Republic.
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 12, 2018 12:47 pm »

I imagine that the Fire Nation army was mostly stationed in "frontier" provinces along the front lines, with lightly garrisoned supply depots such as Gaipan along the way. That makes the most sense to me, since the Gaang seemed to spend a lot of time in territories that would later become the United Republic, yet didn't really seem to run into the Fire Nation all that often (Zuko non withstanding).

I could also imagine that the Fire Nation would let the many villages of the Earth Kingdom (such as Kyoshi and Senlin) do their own thing so as long as they promise not to support or send aide to the Earth Kingdom. So those territories could still be in what is consideres Fire Nation occupied lands, yet look like they're not.
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« Reply #11 on: Nov 17, 2018 07:02 pm »

It's like Chin's Village. The Rough Rhinos were just there to kill the mayor and terrorize the populace, presumably to get them to pledge fealty to the Fire Lord, with a warning that if any word got back of the village not toeing the line, they'd get attacked again. Chin wouldn't have been a part of any supply lines or secured Fire Nation territory, but it would have essentially been 'conquered.'
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« Reply #12 on: Nov 30, 2018 09:56 pm »

Well in the episode it seems that the Fortress in the east under General Fong was the last outpost in the area that was nearest to the front lines of the combat. We can see that many wounded earth kingdom troops were recuperating at the fortress.

luvavatar, had an excellent point. Since after losing an important battle against the northern water tribe it would be harder, but Colonel_Brian had a great points, because it shows that the fire nation field forces are like the Wehrmacht on the eastern front, able to organize more smaller and mobile forces to attack since the eastern fortress was near the front line and ultimately had a large garrison, or at least that is how i see it. Also the fire nation probably coerces acceptance through some kind of protection money, or tribute.
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