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« on: Jun 11, 2017 06:35 am »

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Dark Horse announced that Turf Wars, Part 1 will be physically available from July 26th 2017 in bookstores and can be bought online from August 8th 2017. You can pre-order the book on Amazon.

Turf Wars is written by co-creator of Avatar: The Last Airbender and The Legend of Korra, Michael Dante DiMartino, and illustrated by Irene Koh with feed with feedback from Bryan Konietzko, the other co-creator of the series.

This thread is for opinions & discussion about the story. A thread for professional reviews will be created in due time. For questions on release dates and buying the books, see A:TLA & TLOK Graphic Novels in the Marketplace. For speculation of other future comics, please see Future Avatar Comics .



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« Reply #1 on: Aug 03, 2017 01:56 pm »

Read it.  Liked it.  I've got a few issues which I'll get out of the way first.  Obviously the romance between Korra and Asami is big in this (don't think anyone thought it wouldn't be) but I think one thing we got here that we hadn't before was an idea of what the general Avatarverse feels about homosexuality in general, which is to say it's essentially similar to how we feel about it in the real world... which is why my biggest complaint about the comic is that despite several warnings to Korra/Asami to be careful about how and who they should tell....... and yet essentially no one from the show we've EVER met to this point seems to have any sort of prejudice even based on the 'never thought about it' category.  Seemed a mite unrealistic to me in that regard... but I guess they didn't want to make any of the other characters personas take the hit, not a huge problem but my biggest complaint, at least Mako looked like he really needed to take a crap or something after they told him, I just doubt it's cause he's homophobic.  There's also a bit where Korra gets mad at her parents for, as far as I can tell, no good reason.

Now as to what I did like, I liked Korra and Asami together, they started their 'buddy/buddy' tour in Season 3 and really they made a better and more believably friendly duo than Korra and any of the rest of her 'team avatar' than any of the rest (unless you count Tenzin as Team Avatar / side note, Tenzin is just as cool as ever).  I don't know what Lin was thinking hiring Bolin as a police officer.  He's a funny guy yeah, but he's dumb as a post... still I'm sure there's comedy to be had there.  I REALLY like the attention to detail as far as the state of Republic City after all it has been through now.  The issue surrounding the spirit portal, how its affecting both humans and spirits and the friction there feels realistic to me, the refugee crisis feels realistic to me as well.  The villain was kind of forgettable right up till the last page where things get more interesting, I can take issue 1 as his 'boring to cool origin' just fine if he improves from here.

Perhaps what I liked the most many people are going to like the least.  I liked that Korra, having been through four seasons of the show and with the show leaving us somewhat uncertain where her head was at.... STILL is a little bit short tempered with a tenancy to try and tell her problems to get in line or she'll punch them in the face... yeah a big ol' journey of 'discovery and wisdom' is cool and all, I'm just glad it didn't entirely change who she is.  I never wanted her to be Aang 2.0, and if you start angling her demeanor to far towards pacifist that's essentially what we'd get.  There's a few shots of growth, she's better at public speaking and the whole being 'the peoples Avatar' but with only 72 pages so far there's still a lot to go in really figuring out exactly where Korra's relationships are at with most of anyone except Asami.

End of first impressions.
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« Reply #2 on: Aug 05, 2017 11:04 am »

How did you read it already? Did you go to comic con?
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« Reply #3 on: Aug 05, 2017 02:39 pm »

^ It was released to comic book stores earlier than Amazon.
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« Reply #4 on: Aug 06, 2017 02:13 pm »

So I have read the comic book, and I would't recommend it because it has all the flaws of the cartoon series, and on top of that the design choices are visually generic as is the storytelling itself. The main bad guy Tokuga has Jet's swords and Ty Lee's fighting style. His clothing style is "outsider" from a variety of different cultures from a Ronin's Gi and hakama, with brown combat boots, and he also wears a trench coat. There is nothing about Tokuga's character that was not taken from somewhere else.

The rival gang that he fights in this arc are called the Crystal Creepers, and again the design choice is all over the change. Some of the gang members look like the should be in modern Marvel or DC Comic, there are some girls who look like they are apart of the Avatar world, and the leader who looked like a real Indian person instead of a fantasy equivalent counterpart.

Koh would make a much better colorist than an line artist, a lot of the faces of the characters look strange.

As for the story it is just all over the place, and again very generic. Without any good voice acting, the villains are boring, and the dialog of the main characters is mostly just info dumps and retcons. The retcons are stupid, and I thought it would be Korra's character who suffers in the story but it is Asami who once again gets the short end of the stick. We suddenly find out that she is an architect when Zhu Li and Raiki have her design housing for refuges. In the finale climax of the story she channels the worst of Lois Lane, by falling in the middle of the fight which distracts Korra and allows the bad guy to get away.

The spirits continue to have no character but agitated, until they start channeling Vaatu and some of them turn into dark spirits when they get angry the end of the story.
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« Reply #5 on: Aug 07, 2017 01:23 pm »

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So I have read the comic book, and I would't recommend it because it has all the flaws of the cartoon series, and on top of that the design choices are visually generic as is the storytelling itself. The main bad guy Tokuga has Jet's swords and Ty Lee's fighting style. His clothing style is "outsider" from a variety of different cultures from a Ronin's Gi and hakama, with brown combat boots, and he also wears a trench coat. There is nothing about Tokuga's character that was not taken from somewhere else.

The rival gang that he fights in this arc are called the Crystal Creepers, and again the design choice is all over the change. Some of the gang members look like the should be in modern Marvel or DC Comic, there are some girls who look like they are apart of the Avatar world, and the leader who looked like a real Indian person instead of a fantasy equivalent counterpart.

Koh would make a much better colorist than an line artist, a lot of the faces of the characters look strange.

As for the story it is just all over the place, and again very generic. Without any good voice acting, the villains are boring, and the dialog of the main characters is mostly just info dumps and retcons. The retcons are stupid, and I thought it would be Korra's character who suffers in the story but it is Asami who once again gets the short end of the stick. We suddenly find out that she is an architect when Zhu Li and Raiki have her design housing for refuges. In the finale climax of the story she channels the worst of Lois Lane, by falling in the middle of the fight which distracts Korra and allows the bad guy to get away.

The spirits continue to have no character but agitated, until they start channeling Vaatu and some of them turn into dark spirits when they get angry the end of the story.

Oh pshaw, there's no retcons.  I can but put forth for the thousandth time that just because someone didn't believe there was any indication or foreshadowing of Korra/Asami's relationship, pointing back at all those scenes and moments in the series that absolutely were in the show (no matter how you read them at the time) does not constitute a retcon.  A true retcon would be something more like stating that it was suddenly Asami and not Mako who Korra was dating in season 1.

Side note, How is Asami being good at drafting floor plans somehow unbelievable?  She designed a frigging 'Yacht Blimp' the skills it takes to be an engineer and to draw up designs of how machinery works and are put together are VERY similar to designing floor plans.  I'VE made floor plans for houses as art projects in the fifth grade, Asami is an Engineer.  It's not unbelievable in the slightest... I did also feel a bit annoyed when she got downed so that Korra could come rushing to her aid..... but at the same time, I can't say that this sort of thing didn't happen in the show either, of team Avatar she was never the best fighter.  She's got some self defense training and all, but she's been shown here and there to get knocked around by bending enemies often enough.

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« Reply #6 on: Aug 07, 2017 01:53 pm »

Side note, How is Asami being good at drafting floor plans somehow unbelievable?  She designed a frigging 'Yacht Blimp' the skills it takes to be an engineer and to draw up designs of how machinery works and are put together are VERY similar to designing floor plans.  I'VE made floor plans for houses as art projects in the fifth grade, Asami is an Engineer.  It's not unbelievable in the slightest...

Its part of a long pattern of Mike and Bryan applying plot points to Asami character then never having the plot points pop up again. I mean we know she tried to rebuild up her father's company after it was involved the the Euqualist terrorists. Then Asami proceeded to lead it down a worse path with getting involved with war profiteering and gang violence, but the company is fine by season 3 and Asami has time to travel the world and look for air benders. By season 4 Asami is noted for helping design the around the spirit vines, but she didn't really do anything else besides that and in the climax she needs both Varrick and her father to make the humming bird drones functional weapons.

In this chapter Asami is once again used as a carrier as a plot device to bring up the housing, and further objectified by the end of the chapter during that fight scene. Her involvement in the scene is mostly incoherent because she is hit wit water, then it seen getting up, and is then seen unconscious and seeing to be held gently by Korra. Asami's most important role is plot device and eye candy. The only way that scene could have been worse is if Asami broke an ankle.
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« Reply #7 on: Aug 07, 2017 03:34 pm »

Honestly, I don't know if Asami is an engineer, architect, or businesswoman? It does seem like her role changes depending on what the story demands of her. I think at best, she's like Elon Musk (Tesla, PayPal, SpaceX). A visionary who has innovating ideas, but would never be the person to actually bring them into fruition. Like Elon, she needs a team of specialists (engineers, architects, analysts, etc) to do all the heavy lifting in bringing the product to life.

With that being said, I do think Varrick is a better Elon Musk than Asami so...
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« Reply #8 on: Aug 10, 2017 09:44 am »

I liked it, it is okay. I did think though we saw some of Korra early Book 2 in this, not to that degree, but minor, I guess that is just relationship Korra. We she is in a relationship and it is stress out on Avatar business, she can be dismissive to her life partner, but to her credit she is working on that, she has improved, she is not as bad as in Book 2, but her old habits die out. And hopefully she will also apology to her parents in short order, she was kind of mean.

I am hoping if Mako can get over the obvious hit to his ego which is understand, he is Geroge Costanza here, I like to see him give Asami some advise, he is the only with experience being in a relationship with Korra.

As for the plot, still too early to tell weather or not these villains are any good, I thought we were going to have a female villain, so major let down.

Interesting to see Zu Li on her own without Varrick, while I miss Varrick, I am happy is Zu Li is getting some independence as a character.

So Kya is gay, we did know that for a while, but we also learned the countries stances on gays and lesbians, interesting the Fire Nation take on that, Sozin thought it was a sin, probably Azulon and Ozai feel the same, which is interesting, because I always felt like many others that Azula was either gay or bi, I mean between the series and Smoke and Shadows, she prefers the company of women, what if she had those feelings for the same sex and knowing the royal family especially her father's stance on that was, and have to suppress those feelings her whole life, Azula was already an interesting character, suddenly she is even more interesting.
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« Reply #9 on: Aug 10, 2017 06:17 pm »

So only lesbians prefer to hang out with other girls?

Frankly, I'm not sure that Azula is capable of having romantic preferences. Everything she did in The Beach was social war-gaming, and her spectacular failures make me think that she doesn't understand any aspect of attraction or romance.

And I think Sozin was just salty that Roku preferred a girl. Grin
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« Reply #10 on: Aug 10, 2017 09:20 pm »

So Kya is gay, we did know that for a while, but we also learned the countries stances on gays and lesbians, interesting the Fire Nation take on that, Sozin thought it was a sin,

Naturally the character who we have to double down on the evil is Sozin while Korra has to sympathize with a hitler-nock off, an Air Bender and Water Bender willing to repeat genocide, and her uncle who wanted to destroy the world. Kya's entire exposition dump was uninspired, and made the Air Nomads the least believable culture in the Avatar world.
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« Reply #11 on: Aug 10, 2017 11:34 pm »

I want to know exactly what makes people not tolerate it in their world, but then again bigotry doesn't always need a reason. I would like to see them delve into it a bit deeper and I wonder if the Fire Nation has tried to move past Sozin's belief in that area, though I believe it probably would.
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« Reply #12 on: Aug 11, 2017 07:26 pm »

If we go by real-life history, it came from the same source as the Western-influences in Republic City's Shanghai references.

I can't wait for the AtLA comics to reveal that.
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« Reply #13 on: Aug 12, 2017 07:00 am »

Quick question, any appearances by Opal and the other airbenders like Jinora, Ikki, Meelo, Rohan?
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« Reply #14 on: Aug 12, 2017 07:14 am »

Jinora makes an appearance.
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« Reply #15 on: Aug 12, 2017 07:32 am »

Quick question, any appearances by Opal and the other airbenders like Jinora, Ikki, Meelo, Rohan?

Yes. When Korra and Asami leave the portal, they immediately run into Jinora and a bunch of airbenders who are arguing with the land developer. Later on Jinora appears again to tell Korra there's stuff going on at the portal. They appear again at the end of the fight scene. They don't have a big role, but they're around. I don't recall Ikki or Meelo particularly appearing though. Opal turns up but doesn't say much. Kai is there, but only in the background.

Tenzin also appears for a bit in the middle.
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I read the rest of the comic. (I'd give it 4/10) General thoughts:

- Romance didn't do it for me. Asami's still too boring, dialogue involved too many retcons, it didn't work to fix the show's weaknesses. Anybody already into the romance probably likes it fine, but if you thought it was underwritten in the show, the comic isn't going to convince you.

- The conflict around the spirit portal felt... kinda dumb? A spirit directly asks Korra to please close the new portal because humans are trying to take advantage of it, and she still says no. She asks Raiko to turn that area into protected parks even though people are homeless right now Korra it's not really the time for those kinds of public projects. Later it's revealed that the spirit portal is messing with the police radios too, so honestly keeping it open seems like the worst idea ever. The Water Tribe portals are at least out of the way. I sorta hope Part 3 ends with Korra closing it, but that doesn't really seem like Mike's style.

-  It seems weird that some of this stuff- like the housing problem- is only just now being addressed (in that, there seem to be no plans at all until Asami comes back), because it seems like at least a few weeks should have gone by since Kuvira's attack. (Given the wedding plus Korra's vacation...)

Side note, How is Asami being good at drafting floor plans somehow unbelievable?  She designed a frigging 'Yacht Blimp' the skills it takes to be an engineer and to draw up designs of how machinery works and are put together are VERY similar to designing floor plans.  I'VE made floor plans for houses as art projects in the fifth grade, Asami is an Engineer.  It's not unbelievable in the slightest...

Its part of a long pattern of Mike and Bryan applying plot points to Asami character then never having the plot points pop up again. I mean we know she tried to rebuild up her father's company after it was involved the the Euqualist terrorists. Then Asami proceeded to lead it down a worse path with getting involved with war profiteering and gang violence, but the company is fine by season 3 and Asami has time to travel the world and look for air benders. By season 4 Asami is noted for helping design the around the spirit vines, but she didn't really do anything else besides that and in the climax she needs both Varrick and her father to make the humming bird drones functional weapons.

In this chapter Asami is once again used as a carrier as a plot device to bring up the housing, and further objectified by the end of the chapter during that fight scene. Her involvement in the scene is mostly incoherent because she is hit wit water, then it seen getting up, and is then seen unconscious and seeing to be held gently by Korra. Asami's most important role is plot device and eye candy. The only way that scene could have been worse is if Asami broke an ankle.

Yeah, the water scene was confusing? One panel she's getting up, then she's collapsed?

And yeah, Asami revealing new skills as the plot demands it always bugged me.
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« Reply #16 on: Aug 15, 2017 03:35 pm »

And I think Sozin was just salty that Roku preferred a girl. Grin

Funny, I thought this as well.  Wink
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As for the few complaints about the comic, people need to realize it is a comic, not a novel. Comics are supposed to be entertaining, hopefully have a story, and let's you visit characters you enjoy. This comic does that and more.

As for everyone being accepting of Korra and Asami's choice, what is wrong with that? Isn't there enough hate in this world without having to add it into a comic. In an idyllic world, everyone would and should be accepting.

Personally I enjoyed the comic and look forward to the next 2. Especially to see what happens to the portal, how Bolin handles being a cop, how Mako is dealing with all the changes lately, and to find out what the heck Varrick is up to because you know it is probably fun or weird.
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« Reply #17 on: Aug 16, 2017 07:37 am »

As for everyone being accepting of Korra and Asami's choice, what is wrong with that? Isn't there enough hate in this world without having to add it into a comic. In an idyllic world, everyone would and should be accepting.

The Avatar's world's stance on homosexuality isn't idyllic, its haphazard and nonsensical. I mean the society that was most accepting of homosexuality is the dead one that was gender segregated at all levels. The scene with Korra's parents turned them into stawmen. Despite trying to promote LGBTQ themes, Mike still has major problems with his female characters. Through out Legend of Korra there was this tendency to show only one competent female character at a time, and this pattern was continued in the climax of this story where Asami became Korra's damsel in distress.
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« Reply #18 on: Aug 21, 2017 06:48 am »

I love how Le EEEVIILLL Sozin made gay marriages illegal.  Roll Eyes That and suddenly how everyone and their parents are gay. They also mentioned Sozin and Kyoshi even though the two weren't even in the same time period? That's what happens when you completely bend over for liberal LGBTBBQ so much that you forget what happened within your own franchise. How disappointing that such a nice franchise has become nothing more but fan service gay propaganda icecream. The lok comic was barely a lok comic, just forced bs lessons about homo problems and completely destroying Korra's stupid character growth, she's back to square one, being a hot headed imbecile stupidly blowing up at her dad for being a sane responsible person who doesn't want his image ruined then calling Zaheer a wise man.  Huh

I hope to see Le SUPER EVIL FIYAH NATION spread their anti gay marriage oppression across the globe once again. Izumi killing that weakling Korra after she comes to her to spread the rainbow, obliterating the Earth Kingdom completely, waging war against the pathetic Water Tribes and making the world great again. We need to return this series to it's magical roots, the fun, loving, spiritual, eastern, adventurous, war torn, fear filled roots of ATLA. As Ozai once proposed, they need to rain down fire, a fire that will destroy everything and from the ashes a new world will be born, one where all the lands are Fire Nation. Only the Fire Nation can save Avatar from succumbing to the dark path it is taking... Heck we probably didn't see the Fire Nation in LOK because of this! Just give me another FN arc in the ATLA comics, they're the only good ones anyway


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« Reply #19 on: Aug 21, 2017 07:28 am »

That and suddenly how everyone and their parents are gay. They also mentioned Sozin and Kyoshi even though the two weren't even in the same time period?

As the local Kyoshi fanboy I must note here that Kyoshi having the hots for everything distantly humanoid (and even for things that weren't) has been a fairly accepted fan theory since her first show-up in The Avatar Day. This comic only confirms what everyone took for granted waaaay before Korra became a not-so-fleeting thought in Bryke's mind  Wink.

Now, I will be gravely disappointed if they don't give us Kyoshi Warrior ~snip~ in the close future.
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That and suddenly how everyone and their parents are gay. They also mentioned Sozin and Kyoshi even though the two weren't even in the same time period?

As the local Kyoshi fanboy I must note here that Kyoshi having the hots for everything distantly humanoid (and even for things that weren't) has been a fairly accepted fan theory since her first show-up in The Avatar Day. This comic only confirms what everyone took for granted waaaay before Korra became a not-so-fleeting thought in Bryke's mind  Wink.

Now, I will be gravely disappointed if they don't give us Kyoshi Warrior ~snip~ in the close future.
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« Reply #22 on: Aug 21, 2017 12:36 pm »

Go back to 4chan, dogzee. :/
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« Reply #23 on: Aug 21, 2017 02:50 pm »

Go back to 4chan, dogzee. :/

He called ~snip~ disgusting. Not only that, but he initially did not even know what it meant. He literally can't be from 4chan or any other taiwanese knitting board. Edit: I'm 125% serious here. You can easily tell whether someone is visiting a -chan board by throwing around words like ~snip~ and see their reaction.

So, yeah, where is my LGBTQ Kyoshi Warrior story with all that sweet forbidden love?
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« Reply #24 on: Aug 21, 2017 06:15 pm »

Zaheer is a wise man. His politics are just a bit too extreme. After all, he fixed Korra and started a five-year-journey to fixing the Earth Kingdom(s) forever. Tongue

Also, I'm not sure conflating Ozai with 'fixing' the franchise is a workable strategy. I mean, the Fire Nation were the bad guys in AtLA and ruined the world.
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