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Author Topic: [DH Comics #14] North and South, Part 2  (Read 2765 times)
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« on: Jan 27, 2017 07:37 pm »



Comic Book Resources announced that North and South, Part 2 will be released on January 25 2017. You can pre-order the book on Amazon.

North and South is written by writer/artist/creator Gene Luen Yang and illustrated by the creative team GuriHiru (illustrator Sasaki, Colorist Kawano).

This thread is for opinions & discussion about the story. Professional reviews go into this thread. For questions on release dates and buying the books, see A:TLA Graphic Novels in the Marketplace. For speculation of North and South, Parts 2 & 3 and other future comics, please see North and South, Part 1, 2 & 3 – Speculations thread and Future Avatar Comics respectively.



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« Reply #1 on: Jan 28, 2017 04:25 pm »

I picked it up the other day, read it.  I was impressed with Part 1, and part 2 didn't disappoint. Smiley I felt that how they followed up on Hakoda and Malina being in a relationship was handled in a mature and interesting way.  Basically, Sokka is more ok with it than Katara, who has trouble accepting it.  But Hakoda and Katara have a very heartfelt discussion where Hakoda tries to relate how Katara feels about Aang.  Very well done stuff, I feel.

Toph and Aang show show up for more supporting roles.  Aang's involvement seems more minimal -- this is about Katara's development, not his.  Toph has a couple great lines that definitely made me chuckle.  It's interesting to see that Aang is now definitely taller than Katara, and Toph looks taller and more grown up now too.  I'm sure there's been signs of this in past comics too, but it's always nice to get the sense that time is passing and the characters are growing up as the comics progress.

Malina and Maliq make for an interesting duo.  There are some revelations about them, and while the revelations are a bit negative, their actions make them a bit more sympathetic and relatable.  Well, Malina's do.  Maliq's actions...make him seem a bit too dumb to live.  But kind of in a good way? As in, it comes from his beliefs and convictions.  It's all interesting rather than annoying, is what I'm trying to say.

The action is fun, still fairly low-key.  At this point I doubt Part 3 will have anything near as cool as Aang using a giant rock golem to brawl with Old Iron, but there's still both fun and tense moments.  There's a moment I won't spoil that had me on the edge of my seat -- I will say it's kind of a rehash of a moment from ATLA, but it was effective in the context of the comic nonetheless.  All the action basicall focuses on Gilak's rebels attacking during a festival, and I'll also say that the way they get into the festival is kind of silly, but not a huge issue.  And Toph again proves herself to be the MVP of the series when it comes to fun action moments.

So yeah, definitely worth picking up and reading.  Can't wait for part 3!
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 04, 2017 05:46 pm »

I thought North and South was so much better so far than Smoke and Shadow. I love how the books are finally getting into the info that ties with Korra.
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 07, 2017 07:21 pm »

Finally? The Air Acolytes don't count?
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 07, 2017 07:42 pm »

Or the tension over the Fire Nation colonies in the Earth Kingdom.
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 14, 2017 08:56 am »

I've finally read the comic after almost losing it to the mailing service, and I must say, I'm fairly unimpressed. I guess North & South is supposed to focus on the characters, rather than the conflict, because the latter is just... bad. Like, really, really bad. Not only that, but the character development and the conflict unintentionally(?) draw an uneasy parallel with "acceptance" and "inequality", completely undermining Maliq's point. The plot is getting really confusing as it progresses, and I must admit, I simply gave up on making sense out of it. So this left me with the characters, and to be honest this works much better. I really liked the Katara / Malina / Hakoda dynamic, and the Hakoda / Gilak face-off at the end was pretty cool too. I'm also looking forward to see more of Unnamed Officer Lady Smiley.

Overall, it was okay, if a little rollercoaster-y. I would give it 7.5 out of 10.
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 14, 2017 10:19 pm »

I read it, and like most part 2 it was all right. I mean the problem with this story line is, we seen it already in Korra, so whatever.

Nothing really surprised, Gilak is typical Korra villain, he has some kind of points but quickly devalued because he is a psychopath. Just like ever Korra villain.

I did suspect Maliq was more of an antagonist than he lead on, but didn't expect him to be this stupid. What is Maliq thinking just talking that way to the whole crowd, who does it? The only people that would do that are pro wrestling bad guys to get heat. He is like Tarloq and his police force helping Amon recruit non bendings with his action, it is the same thing here.

Great to see Aang and Toph here. I wish they would do more, but that is okay.

So Malina is actually good but used to be bad, but Katara to my surprise she has no issues with her dad dating in general, she just doesn't trust Malina. Though Katara really after the whole thing with Zuko, I think by now she would realize people can change, maybe it is just the shock on what of believes Malina used to have.

So Part 3 has a lot to wrap up, and Zuko is coming back.
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 15, 2017 06:34 pm »

Though Katara really after the whole thing with Zuko, I think by now she would realize people can change, maybe it is just the shock on what of believes Malina used to have.

An AtLA character learn and grow based on their experiences in the cartoon?!

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« Reply #8 on: Apr 08, 2017 08:10 am »

Finally got around to reading this part and I liked it quite a bit. Not as confusing as Smoke & Shadow and I am having the same overall feeling that I had while reading The Rift.
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 29, 2017 07:37 am »

Sharing commentary from Part 2 of the North and South library edition. You can read Part 1 here. Apologies for any typos.

Maliq and Malina explains about the factory to Katara and Sokka.
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Gene: I loved the Equalists in season one of The Legend of Korra. Even though they were bad guys, I found their point of view incredibly compelling. We're showing the beginnings of their philosophy here.

Gurihiru: Here, we have another forklift.
Well, we remember Sokka messing around with a forklift in The Rift...

When Toph is introduced.
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Gene: By the time we got to the scripting, Gurihiru and I knew that North and South would be our final Avatar: The Last Airbender story arc. We wanted to bring the whole team together so we could write and draw each of them one last time. Here's Toph!

The festival.
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Gurihiru: The festival might have been a little too big.

Toph plays the hammer game in the festival.
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Gene: Toph and Sokka first played "the poundy-poundy game" in the episode "The Runaway", though it's not called that in the episode. I loved that episode because it shows that although Aang is the Avatar, he's still just a kid. His love of fun can sometimes lead him to make bad decisions.

Aang is introduced.
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Gene: We debated whether or not to bring Aang into the story earlier than this. We decided against it for a couple of reasons. First, we wanted the focus to firmly be on Katara and Sokka. Secondly, bringing Aang in earlier would have made the timeline tricky. The events of this story overlap with the events in Smoke and Shadow.

Gurihiru: Finally, our hero Aang is here! This might be his longest absence. Since Bryan and Mike told us an Airbender does not need to wear too much to keep warm, we made his clothing simple with just long sleeves and a cloak. The costume was drawn to look like the clothes worn by Tenzin, Aang's son from The Legend of Korra.

Team Avatar have fun in the festival.
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Gene: We had Toph hold a pile of stuffed animals from this world.

Gilak makes his appearance at the festival.
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Gene: The central tension of this story arc (and a few of the other story arcs by Gurihiru and me) is between cultural identity and diversity. Is it possible to keep one's own cultural identity in an increasingly diverse world? Can "small" cultures -small in terms of economic and military might, not in the terms of dignity and importance- stay true to themselves while interacting with "larger" cultures? Gilak believes the answer is no. I sympathize with his position, but I hope he's wrong.

Malina is pissed at her brother, Maliq.
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Gene: In The Legend of Korra, the Northern and Southern Water Tribes are at each other's throats. Here's where it all starts.

Katara gets chi blocked.
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Gene: Chi blocking is one of my favorite concepts in the Avatar universe, maybe because I like Ty Lee so much. The Korra creative team did a great job upping the stakes to make chi blocking downright scary.

Hakoda gets stabbed and Katara reacts...
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Gurihiru: Since this is an important dramatic scene where Gilak defeats Hakoda, we spent a lot of time redrawing the layout to get it right. We expressed Katara's fury with her bending pose rather than her facial expression.
The last few pages of the library edition contains sketches of the different angles of Hakoda's stabbing. There's one sketch where you see it from behind Hakoda instead of from behind Gilak. There's another sketch where Hakoda is less slumped over from the stabbing.

Gran Gran dispenses some advice to Katara and Sokka.
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Gene: The relationship between action and belief is a recurring topic in Eastern philosophies. Probably all philosophies. For an interesting take that's different from Gran Gran's, goggle search "unity of knowledge and action." It's the philosophy of a sixteenth-century Chinese general named Wang Yangming.

Gilak gets the key to escape his cell.
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Gene: In the first version of the script, the guard hid the key in a book. Mike suggested hiding it under a bowl of food, which works so much better.
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 02, 2018 04:18 pm »

Gene: The central tension of this story arc (and a few of the other story arcs by Gurihiru and me) is between cultural identity and diversity. Is it possible to keep one's own cultural identity in an increasingly diverse world? Can "small" cultures -small in terms of economic and military might, not in the terms of dignity and importance- stay true to themselves while interacting with "larger" cultures? Gilak believes the answer is no. I sympathize with his position, but I hope he's wrong.

I don't think this really came through in the story the way Gene wanted. Limiting things to just the interaction between the Northern and Southern Tribes really waters down (pun intended) the 'diversity' angle, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Katara's emotional journey. The Promise had a better portrayal on the same concept, with the mixing of the Earth and Fire cultures, although it didn't really do anything with theme.
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