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Question: Your opinion on the best and worst Avatar comics.
The best is The Promise - 0 (0%)
The best is The Search - 4 (26.7%)
The best is The Rift - 6 (40%)
The best is Smoke and Shadow - 1 (6.7%)
The worst is The Promise - 1 (6.7%)
The worst is The Search - 0 (0%)
The worst is The Rift - 1 (6.7%)
The worst is Smoke and Shadow - 2 (13.3%)
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« on: Aug 27, 2016 11:53 pm »

Since the comics are not the most loved in the community, I want to see which comic is most liked and most hated.
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« Reply #1 on: Aug 28, 2016 06:49 am »

Hummm... Let's see...

Personally, I think the comics largely on the same leve quality-wise, as they all have okayish story and very nice art, overall offering an above-average reading experience. Most of their flaws are coming from Gene Yang trying to wrap his head and style around the Avatar world, so I can't really blame him or say that Plot Element X was truly, objectively bad. I guess it makes the preferences go down to personal investment for me and going with that I would say:
- Smoke and Shadow was the best. I'm a huge Kyoshi Warrior fanboy, and S&S had some pretty cool KW scenes, much more than any other comic.
- The Search was the worst. No Kyoshi Warriors and the return of "Ursa" made me reel. This was the only series where I really thought about not buying the last issue because I simply did not want to know what would happen.
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« Reply #2 on: Aug 29, 2016 04:18 am »

In my opinion The Search was the best but I haven't read Smoke and Shadow yet. For me The Promise was the worst but I'm only using the word "worst" as a loose term because so far I really like all the comics.
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« Reply #3 on: Aug 30, 2016 06:39 pm »

The Rift was alright.

Everything else makes me wonder how these things were written by a professional. There are such basic storytelling fumbles riddling all the other trilogies that I wonder how Gene Yang could have done so well with his original graphic novels.

Oh, and the FCBD issue about Mai was good.
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« Reply #4 on: Aug 30, 2016 07:14 pm »

I thought you said that even Gene's original novels have a number of problems that show up in his later work, such as a lack of great characters, as well as putting the plot ahead of characterization.
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« Reply #5 on: Aug 31, 2016 09:12 am »

I think The Rift is the best out of all of them. Individually, The Rift Part 3 is the best comic. I liked how the resolution was portrayed in that one - Aang and Toph making up, the stuff with General Old Iron etc - and I think it's definitely the most self contained out of all the trilogies, which better in comparison to the unfulfilling endings of the others that didn't or couldn't resolve things in a satisfying way. It didn't have any cliffhangers like The Promise, or loose threads like The Search (what happened to Azula tho??? Find out but not really in two years!) or Smoke and Shadow. (A-Azula where are you going...what are you doing; we STILL don't know what happened to you when you ran away - why are you ranting on about fear again!? Why did Mai and What's-His-Face even break up, will Aang and Zuko ever be able to talk to each other like civilised young people? Find out in like 3 years or never maybe!)

As for the worst, I'd say The Promise. Smoke and Shadow has kind of the same problem in regards to Aang and Zuko's relationship (Zuko having the Kyoshi Bodyguards escort Aang out because he disagreed with him being the most erroneous example Angry), but in The Promise the artificially dragged out conflict between the two is one of the main plot points. Then there's Toph with her boring Earthbending students... and Sokka was there too, I guess. There was one funny moment with the nine year old that wanted to go out with him, and the final scene with Azula was nice I guess, but other than that I can't remember a specific line or scene from that trilogy. It was just wholly unmemorable. The Promise was also the introduction to the ATLA comic line written by Gene Yang; I wasn't around when the first installment was released, but that must have been extremely disappointing. What a way to sour potential readers from the improved next trilogy. As for the other trilogy I was very disappointed by, Smoke and Shadow just juggles way too many things at once and doesn't have enough time to flesh out or resolve any of it, which is a different problem than The Promise's. Both have characterisation issues. I guess which you dislike more depends on which problems bother you the most; they're both unenjoyable to me upon re-reads. Undecided

The Rift does have its problems though. Aang being able to reconnect with Roku by making a new necklace when he'd never needed one in the show was silly. It confused me so much I had to ask people on the forums if that was a Promise thing, since I hadn't read it at that point. The Waterbenders that hate Katara and Sokka since the Southern Water Tribe went to the pits in their absence was clearly only included to set up North and South and doesn't even seem to make sense in that regard, what with the massive advancements since they left. Overall though, it has the least problems and I enjoy Part 3 a lot.
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« Reply #6 on: Sep 01, 2016 05:22 pm »

I thought you said that even Gene's original novels have a number of problems that show up in his later work, such as a lack of great characters, as well as putting the plot ahead of characterization.

That's not what I meant to convey, but I don't have time to look for the original post now, so I can't be sure what I actually said. For characters, my opinion is that Gene is fine with his own creations, but he can't get into the headspace of any of the Avatar characters. As far as plots, Gene definitely plays it safe in that- of the two graphic novels I read- things get resolved with deus ex machina that give the characters the opportunity and impetuous to grow, rather than doing it on their own based on a logical chain of events; however, I want to note that the deus ex machina is well integrated into the story and works, so all I'm speculating is that it's a practiced crutch and not being able to bring it to AtLA (despite the franchise's reputation for DEM) means he doesn't know how to construct a functional character arc.

So, his original stuff has weaknesses that he knows how to make up for, and from what I've seen he doesn't know what to do when he doesn't have access to his usual tools.


The Promise was also the introduction to the ATLA comic line written by Gene Yang; I wasn't around when the first installment was released, but that must have been extremely disappointing.

You have no idea.

I used to be one of the most excited people around here for the idea of AtLA continuation comics. Now I'm a bitter grump who hates the entire comics industry.
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« Reply #7 on: Sep 01, 2016 05:24 pm »

It's on page six of the North and South  discussion thread. I just checked, though what you said was a little different from what I remembered.
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« Reply #8 on: Sep 03, 2016 01:41 pm »

I thought you said that even Gene's original novels have a number of problems that show up in his later work, such as a lack of great characters, as well as putting the plot ahead of characterization.

That's not what I meant to convey, but I don't have time to look for the original post now, so I can't be sure what I actually said. For characters, my opinion is that Gene is fine with his own creations, but he can't get into the headspace of any of the Avatar characters. As far as plots, Gene definitely plays it safe in that- of the two graphic novels I read- things get resolved with deus ex machina that give the characters the opportunity and impetuous to grow, rather than doing it on their own based on a logical chain of events; however, I want to note that the deus ex machina is well integrated into the story and works, so all I'm speculating is that it's a practiced crutch and not being able to bring it to AtLA (despite the franchise's reputation for DEM) means he doesn't know how to construct a functional character arc.

So, his original stuff has weaknesses that he knows how to make up for, and from what I've seen he doesn't know what to do when he doesn't have access to his usual tools.


The Promise was also the introduction to the ATLA comic line written by Gene Yang; I wasn't around when the first installment was released, but that must have been extremely disappointing.

You have no idea.

I used to be one of the most excited people around here for the idea of AtLA continuation comics. Now I'm a bitter grump who hates the entire comics industry.

But Why?? I was afraid at first because I thought that it wouldn't be good as the series, but damn, this comics are great. The art is perfect, the characters are excactly the same, the life lessons and humor is still there. I really cant understand your opinion.
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« Reply #9 on: Sep 03, 2016 03:19 pm »

What's favorite comic so far doratchi?
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« Reply #10 on: Sep 03, 2016 11:18 pm »

What's favorite comic so far doratchi?
The Search, Im not from those who cares much about Zuko mom, when I watched the series I knew she was alive, but it was the most imporatant and exciting then the others, which are good too

What is yours?
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« Reply #11 on: Sep 04, 2016 04:29 am »

Same, The Search.
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« Reply #12 on: Sep 04, 2016 04:31 am »

Same, The Search.

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« Reply #13 on: Sep 07, 2016 06:58 pm »

But Why?? I was afraid at first because I thought that it wouldn't be good as the series, but damn, this comics are great. The art is perfect, the characters are excactly the same, the life lessons and humor is still there. I really cant understand your opinion.

Well, I've put a lot of effort into describing my problems, so I'll just provide some links and hope they make my case:

http://forums.avatarspirit.net/index.php?topic=20656.msg2037176#msg2037176
http://forums.avatarspirit.net/index.php?topic=21169.msg2145233#msg2145233
http://forums.avatarspirit.net/index.php?topic=21981.msg2220219#msg2220219
http://loopy777.tumblr.com/post/75099047828/essay-the-two-ursas
http://forums.avatarspirit.net/index.php?topic=22622.msg2459899#msg2459899
http://loopy777.tumblr.com/post/98111434394/challenging-aang
http://forums.avatarspirit.net/index.php?topic=23231.msg2459935#msg2459935
http://forums.avatarspirit.net/index.php?topic=24234.msg2464163#msg2464163
http://forums.avatarspirit.net/index.php?topic=24235.msg2466484#msg2466484

TLDR: I think the characters are poor caricatures of their cartoon selves, the lessons are flawed, I find no humor in them, and I think they're poorly constructed stories/comics in general without even being compared to the source material.
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« Reply #14 on: Sep 08, 2016 01:22 am »

It sounds like your'e seperating the comics from the series, like they should stand for themself. But they are not and they shouldn't, the original series was the best and these comics are only the answer the open questions, and they are doing it great. For themself- they are really not that good. But as a continuation it's really like the series- just compare between The Lost Adventures which is really bad to this.

I can't force you to like it but maybe you should read it again and instead look at it as a seperated thing you should look at the whole thing.
The first book of the series wasn't good as the others, it's just some traveling, and we don't get to know the characters deeply. So I don't like it for itself, but its part of thw whole great thing.
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« Reply #15 on: Sep 08, 2016 09:02 am »

I respect your opinion Loopy but I don't agree. I love the comics as much as the show.
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« Reply #16 on: Sep 08, 2016 10:00 am »

I have to agree with Loopy and the characters definitely do seem to act far differently than they do in the series. The dialogue can be cringe worthy at times and I just can't reconcile Aang as being willing to kill Zuko over a disagreement as being the same person unwilling to kill a genocidal maniac.
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« Reply #17 on: Sep 08, 2016 11:19 am »

Which character exactly acting far from the series?
They are exactly the same, and the few minor changes is because a year passed. Secondly Aang really tried to avoid killing Zuko, but he had to avoid another war, it's not just diagreement.
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« Reply #18 on: Sep 08, 2016 12:37 pm »

Aang willing to kill a friend without even getting all the details is out of line for a character like Aang. That he would even entertain such a notion is outlandish to say the least.
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« Reply #19 on: Sep 08, 2016 01:21 pm »

Meh. I blame the somewhat wobbly plot as GY does his best to get in-line with the ATLA flavor of storytelling.
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« Reply #20 on: Sep 08, 2016 03:35 pm »

Aang willing to kill a friend without even getting all the details is out of line for a character like Aang. That he would even entertain such a notion is outlandish to say the least.
You sure that you read Part 3?
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« Reply #21 on: Sep 08, 2016 04:32 pm »

Aang willing to kill a friend without even getting all the details is out of line for a character like Aang. That he would even entertain such a notion is outlandish to say the least.
You sure that you read Part 3?

It is bad enough at the beginning. Aang was totally unwilling to kill Ozai yet he rolls with killing Zuko? That was weird.
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« Reply #22 on: Sep 08, 2016 06:25 pm »

It sounds like your'e seperating the comics from the series, like they should stand for themself. But they are not and they shouldn't...

I expect the comics to stand as well as a single episode of the cartoon. To wit: I expect them to have a plot that makes sense, I expect the focus character(s) to have a coherent arc, and I expect the dialogue to sound like something a living person would actually say.

If that's me expecting too much from licensed continuation comics, then I guess that's just my problem to deal with. Fortunately, Transformers, Ghostbusters, and Ninja Turtles comics all manage to succeed at those basic points, so at least I have something else to read.
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« Reply #23 on: Sep 08, 2016 07:05 pm »

Aang willing to kill a friend without even getting all the details is out of line for a character like Aang. That he would even entertain such a notion is outlandish to say the least.
You sure that you read Part 3?

It is bad enough at the beginning. Aang was totally unwilling to kill Ozai yet he rolls with killing Zuko? That was weird.
Rolls with killing Zuko? He really tried to avoid it...I noticed this change too, but Aang changed a lot in the year passed

It sounds like your'e seperating the comics from the series, like they should stand for themself. But they are not and they shouldn't...

I expect the comics to stand as well as a single episode of the cartoon. To wit: I expect them to have a plot that makes sense, I expect the focus character(s) to have a coherent arc, and I expect the dialogue to sound like something a living person would actually say.

If that's me expecting too much from licensed continuation comics, then I guess that's just my problem to deal with. Fortunately, Transformers, Ghostbusters, and Ninja Turtles comics all manage to succeed at those basic points, so at least I have something else to read.
Well they sure talking too much on the comics but its still like an episode for me
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« Reply #24 on: Sep 08, 2016 10:32 pm »

If Aang was unable/unwilling to kill during a war, why during peacetime would he be willing to kill a friend? He hadn't even gotten all of the details yet and he goes into the Avatar State to kill him? That seems to be fairly out of character for someone like Aang.
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