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Question: Would you prefer novels as part of the expanded literature of Avatar?
Yes, in conjunction with the comics. - 21 (44.7%)
Yes, replacing the comics. - 10 (21.3%)
No, stick to just the comics. - 8 (17%)
No, only the shows. - 8 (17%)
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« on: Mar 28, 2013 11:33 am »

(NOTE: This is NOT referring to novelizations of previous works, like the shows, but new content).

After reading the Promise I got to thinking about the comments and reviews, a good number of which mentioned that the comic felt too congested with characters, and that it skimmed the surface on a lot of individual issues that could've been explored further.  It was an ambitious amount of material to cover in only 3 issues.  But I got to thinking, what if there was more space and time to utilize, such as in a novel?

Novels have a more natural construct for numerous plotlines that weave together, and for detail that can be included.  In Promise we had numerous plotlines: (Toph's school/Yu Dao/Zuko's right to rule/Aang's conflict on his promise/Earth King/tentative peace/old war tensions/etc.)  With so much going on, it's hard to really explore each idea when a comic gives you such a space limitation.  But I believe a novel could've properly given each concept proper depth.

Thoughts?  I'm not suggesting redoing The Promise as a novel, but your thoughts on later works being in novel form.
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« Reply #1 on: Mar 28, 2013 11:39 am »

I'm fine with just the shows.
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« Reply #2 on: Mar 28, 2013 02:22 pm »

I'd love a novel, or several. And you're right, it'd be nice to read about an adventure, and explore everyone's inner thoughts.
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« Reply #3 on: Mar 28, 2013 05:06 pm »

I'm fine with just the shows.

Yeah pretty much. And I don't have faith that a novel would be any good.
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« Reply #4 on: Mar 28, 2013 06:06 pm »

I'm fine with just the shows.

Yeah pretty much. And I don't have faith that a novel would be any good.

I just like the eye and ear candy that comes with having it on television. My imagination is a poor substitute.
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« Reply #5 on: Mar 29, 2013 10:59 am »

I am a very visual person, so i really prefer something with eye candy; i prefer shows over comics even!
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« Reply #6 on: Mar 29, 2013 03:44 pm »

I'd prefer longer comics or OVAs. A huge part of the reason I love Avatar is the amazing art in it. The novels would take away from that... I'd rather admire a painting or a drawing of a place than read an elaborate description of it.

If they made novels, they'd likely make them in very simple English to cater to the younger audience, too. That'd be annoying.
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« Reply #7 on: Mar 29, 2013 03:46 pm »

Novels are my absolute favorite medium, so yes, I'd personally like them. However, kids these days don't read anything but porn, and manga is a big seller, so I think keeping the comics around would be of the greatest benefit for the franchise.

Of course, the caveat is that whatever Nick does, they shouldn't have bad writing, be it novels, comics, or cartoons. Considering that the two mediums we have, so far, have failed at that little hurdle, I'm fine with holding off on the novels for now.
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« Reply #8 on: Mar 29, 2013 03:52 pm »

I like to read, but I am fine with the graphic novel format.
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« Reply #9 on: Mar 30, 2013 03:14 pm »

...no, just...no.



I'm an extremely visual person, so, more shows and comics, as long as it's closely monitored by the IP holder and not freewheeling garbage.  I'm not too fond of "licensed" expansions, in general -- most additions to franchises outside of the initial medium, unless fairly tightly watched by the holder with an eye for consistency and quality, stink. The good Star Trek and Star Wars novels and comics are infinitesimal compared to the drek (Karen Traviss, I'm looking at you  Angry ) that's been put out. Hell, even many actual sequels have serious problems; Star Trek's "Every Other Movie" rule, frex, any movie after Aliens, anything Highlander outside the initial movie (and maybe the live-action series) , the Jaws sequels or the frigging Star Wars Prequels..
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« Reply #10 on: Apr 03, 2013 05:04 am »

I wouldn't prefer books because:

1) I hardly read books as it is. I'll check out EU material for IPs I like, but if said EU material is in book form, trust me, I won't be finding out the story from reading the book. I am not adverse to reading, but with something called the "internet", I find all my reading needs satisfied.

2) Even if it was in book form, the stories would still be just as childish, except instead of viewing the childishness in a visual medium, we would be reading it in lines of text. I don't see why I would prefer the EU material to be in novel form if the stories are still going to be goofy. As much as I hate to say it, but the Avatar franchise is going downhill. I know many fans and young kids still love it, but as someone who was with the show since 2005, I can't support the path its been going down since Book 3... oh well, maybe Book 2 of Korra will be better.
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« Reply #11 on: Apr 03, 2013 09:16 pm »

I am not adverse to reading, but with something called the "internet", I find all my reading needs satisfied.

Yeah, but what you if you want a good story, or a professionally researched account of history?
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« Reply #12 on: Apr 04, 2013 12:52 am »

^ Yeah I don't go anywhere without a book under one arm so I can't understand such a position.  It's like hearing someone say "I don't watch movies because I can just see youtube videos of cats."

That being said I don't think avatar novels are something I'd care about one way or the other.  If a good one came out I'd love to read it, but I'm fine if they stick to comics.  I'm not really the sort of fan that needs to read all expanded universe material anyway and only gets it if it's worthwhile.  I haven't read The Promise comics for that reason
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« Reply #13 on: Apr 04, 2013 09:30 pm »

Honestly, a lot of Avatar was the exotic visuals and the exciting fights. You really can't have that in a book, or at least not as presented in the show.
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« Reply #14 on: Apr 04, 2013 09:45 pm »

Not as presented, no, but read The Lies of Locke Lamora if you want to see exotic visuals well integrated into a novel, and anything written by Matthew Woodring Stover or Adam Troy Castro for exciting fights.

Don't read R.A. Salvatore for either.
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« Reply #15 on: Apr 07, 2013 06:31 pm »

^ Yeah I don't go anywhere without a book under one arm so I can't understand such a position.  It's like hearing someone say "I don't watch movies because I can just see youtube videos of cats."

Cool story bro.
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« Reply #16 on: Apr 07, 2013 10:40 pm »

But not one you'll find in a book. Wink
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« Reply #17 on: Apr 18, 2013 03:23 pm »

A lot of the appeal for Avatar/Korra is in its visuals, the aesthetics of the world, the character design, the dynamic look of bending, etc.  Some of that appeal can be preserved in comic book form, but it's not really possible in novel form.  So, if I was to pick one over the other, I would go with comic books/graphic novels.  But hey, if there was to be a (well-written) novel set in the world of Avatar/Korra, I wouldn't complain, so I voted in conjunction. Cheesy  And no, I don't think those junior reading level adaptations of the shows really count as worthwhile novels set in the Avatar/Korra universe.
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« Reply #18 on: Apr 25, 2013 02:15 am »

I'd prefer longer comics or OVAs. A huge part of the reason I love Avatar is the amazing art in it. The novels would take away from that... I'd rather admire a painting or a drawing of a place than read an elaborate description of it.

If they made novels, they'd likely make them in very simple English to cater to the younger audience, too. That'd be annoying.

If it was like the Star Wars EU, it would be nifty.

I'd check novels such as Watchmen and the Vampire Hunter D series by Hideyuki Kikuchi. The former is a graphic novel while the latter has illustrations. Notably the latter has great descriptions that imo, the first book should have been made by Hollywood into live action years ago. It's action horror gold like the Victorian era. Also check out Battle Royale, though it comes off a bit drier in its descriptions of deaths and the plot feels strangled around them than encompassing; its most certainly not the Hunger Games and I'd argue its better as a film.

I would also recommend other Victorian novels such as the Invisible Man by HG Wells, Dracula by Bram Stoker , and probably would recommend the Hunger Games trilogy for visuals as well. Also into a bit of Lovecraft.

My beef with novels in EU is that sometimes, they assume you know the material and general ideas rather than be more descriptive,kinda like writing something and leaving the details out subconsciously out of faulty communication. I know how it is as a writer, but after high school, most of my writing, fictional or otherwise, I assume the people don't know of the issues or the story and I breathe life into it.

I don't mind the comics, I just wished they were a bit longer and allowed the stories to develop a bit more so it didn't feel rushed  and so they really weren't riddled with plot holes as the Rokupoints paradox. Roku will save Ursa , but he will allow his great grandchild to be killed without mercy ,let alone be scarred and his ggdaughter to be driven to insanity as a living weapon.

Why not both like Star Wars? Why can't they coexist so long as the novels are executed well enough?
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« Reply #19 on: Apr 29, 2013 04:27 pm »

Novels would be wonderful, as long as they are done well. The comics are nice, but they only last between 15 and 20 minutes each. Novels would add more story that we all crave, and the experiences would last longer. I am by no means an avid reader.. but if I can really get into a series (i.e. Harry Potter) then I love to read.. I feel that's how a lot of people are.

I doubt we'll see novels though, sadly. Kids won't want to read, and it would be difficult to put out quality novels. I'd love to see them, though.
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« Reply #20 on: Apr 30, 2013 06:46 pm »

Novels would be wonderful, as long as they are done well. The comics are nice, but they only last between 15 and 20 minutes each. Novels would add more story that we all crave, and the experiences would last longer. I am by no means an avid reader.. but if I can really get into a series (i.e. Harry Potter) then I love to read.. I feel that's how a lot of people are.

I doubt we'll see novels though, sadly. Kids won't want to read, and it would be difficult to put out quality novels. I'd love to see them, though.

Star Wars does it, and taking influence from that model by not aiming at their audience and rather, young adult, would suit the series well. Maybe have it geared so it isn't too dark or gory, but an intelligent read nonetheless.

Animorphs was an awesome kids book series [and tv show as well, but beyond its time]that had the feels of Avatar as it didn't treat kids like they were idiots. Bad side was after 20 books , it was ghostwritten and the quality sank [ thought KA Applegate did the last few}, but it was out of 50 and then a few spinoffs.

If the Avatar novels were like Animorphs and Harry Potter thrown together, it would be fantastic.
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« Reply #21 on: Jul 01, 2013 01:50 pm »

I'm not fond of comics in general, so I definitely would have preferred novels or a TV movie.
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« Reply #22 on: Jul 01, 2013 02:02 pm »

I'm fine with just the shows.

Yeah pretty much. And I don't have faith that a novel would be any good.

Only reason why I wouldn't want a novel. I think a novel would just be flat out awful, not to mention unless the novels focused on something exotic in the Avatar universe I wouldn't be interested in it to begin with.
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« Reply #23 on: Sep 16, 2013 11:58 am »

I would definitely buy a novel.... ya know .... with money  .... that I can read .... at a place.   <=== My lame Sokka impression


Of course novels aren't for everyone, but I don't see how having them could necessarily hurt the non-readers.
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« Reply #24 on: Sep 16, 2013 09:44 pm »

I'd love a novel or a combination with a comic form. Particularly something on the level of Year One or Red Son.

I would love to see a series of Avatar graphic novels that are either different Avatars, the original ATLA story or other stories to cover what hasn't been. On the novel part, if it was something like James Golen, I wouldn't mind as long as it doesn't take too many liberties with the story and takes it to an interesting viewpoint.
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