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Author Topic: The Promise- Part 2 Speculation (Spoilers)  (Read 96426 times)
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« Reply #600 on: Apr 19, 2012 10:55 am »

The rule of thumb for manga.
If the person has long hair, but big boobs, it's a girl.
If they have short hair, but big boobs, it's a girl.
If they have short hair but no boobs, it's a flatchested girl.  Maybe a boy.
If they have long hair, but no boobs, it's a boy with magical powers.

So many traps!

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« Reply #601 on: Apr 20, 2012 03:44 pm »

Dude, where are you finding these leaked pages? (Besides the ones with the Gaang and Toph) If it's on 4chan, I didn't find it. And amazon is being stupid.
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« Reply #602 on: Apr 22, 2012 09:48 pm »

Well, they go for the sparkly bishie boys, obviously. American comics still haven't embraced the Ambiguous Gender look.

I know I haven't posted here in a long time but I've been lurking due to the excellence that is Korra.

Anyways I seriously hope you are joking (and I apologize for this rant if you are) with this post and the naked girl thing. I am sorry but if you think that is what manga encompasses than you have no idea what you are talking about. I will not make stereotypes about American comics because I know I do not have a wide enough breadth of knowledge.

But Manga covers a wide variety of genres & art styles and it is aimed at men, women, boys, and girls. I can't say why manga is popular (and if anything I don't think it is that popular in the US) but I know I like it (and as an extension anime as well) for the same reason I love Avatar for the well developed characters and plot. I expect that is why other people are fans as well, not because of naked girls or pretty boys.
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« Reply #603 on: Apr 22, 2012 09:57 pm »

Well, they go for the sparkly bishie boys, obviously. American comics still haven't embraced the Ambiguous Gender look.

I know I haven't posted here in a long time but I've been lurking due to the excellence that is Korra.

Anyways I seriously hope you are joking with this post and the naked girl thing.

Not to worry, Loopy is still Loopy. You haven't been gone that long, after all. Tongue He's only to be taken seriously when he explicitly states that he wants to be. And even then he's usually lying.
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« Reply #604 on: Apr 22, 2012 10:17 pm »

Not to worry, Loopy is still Loopy. You haven't been gone that long, after all. Tongue He's only to be taken seriously when he explicitly states that he wants to be. And even then he's usually lying.

And while I might have been a bit annoyed at Loopy's post of course I still remember and I am quite fond of him. It's good to see some old timers still on here. Smiley

Just stereotyping about anime/manga peeves me off a bit. And of course joking or not I think that is the average view a lot of people have unfortunately.

But anyways not to take this thread off topic, I did buy and enjoy Promise Part 1 (except for the whole Aang promising to kill Zuko thing) but I thought the world building was great and I did love seeing the old Gaang back together again.
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« Reply #605 on: Apr 23, 2012 09:36 pm »

I will not make stereotypes about American comics because I know I do not have a wide enough breadth of knowledge.

American comics are a mix of homoerotic fights between burly men in tights (who all live with male prepubescent dependents), and pin-up poses of women with porn-star figures. Needless to say, no female has ever bought an American comic, ever.
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« Reply #606 on: Apr 23, 2012 09:50 pm »

I will not make stereotypes about American comics because I know I do not have a wide enough breadth of knowledge.

American comics are a mix of homoerotic fights between burly men in tights (who all live with male prepubescent dependents), and pin-up poses of women with porn-star figures. Needless to say, no female has ever bought an American comic, ever.
I have but they're historical fiction comics, instead of tights there's delicious men in breeches.  I haven't bought any superhero ones.
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« Reply #607 on: Apr 23, 2012 10:10 pm »

You're completely undermining my satire, BaT. Tongue
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« Reply #608 on: Apr 23, 2012 10:11 pm »

I've read and enjoyed superhero comics.
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« Reply #609 on: Apr 23, 2012 10:12 pm »

Loopy doesn't believe in women.  They're like unicorns to him.
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« Reply #610 on: Apr 23, 2012 11:33 pm »

I will admit, at first I FORCED myself to like The Promise comic series because one I was big supporter of Gene Yang (since he wrote an excellent blog post speaking out against TLA) and two, it was a sequel to the ending of ATLA, but honestly, The Promise sucks.

Gene Yang is a cool guy and all, but honestly, he is way too much of a mindless fanboy for him to write something that is meaningful and interesting (and it shows in The Promise Part 1). When I see Gene Yang go on about The Promise, I just see a guy making decisions based on his ridiculous fanboyism. For example, I find it bothersome that he idolizes a bit character that appeared once (Sneers) and is trying to pointlessly shoehorn into the plot... that is the type of behavior I dislike from writers. Sure, if the Promise had been good, I would overlook that, but it isn't. Also the way he is writing Kataang is just stupid and his humor is just plain annoying. That Ho Tun guy who is constantly going on about "doom" is just flat out annoying. If Gene Yang killed off this stupid Ho Tun guy, that would definitely improve the quality of the comic in my eyes. Also Toph's other students are just as poorly done... instead of making actual characters, Gene Yang decides to do what other ATLA comic writers have done and make them over-the-top and inane. As for the "oogies" crap and the "sweetie" crap, that is just obnoxious. Plain and simple though, I see The Promise as canon fanfiction (or fanart). Personally, I bet there is a fan out there who wrote a far better direct sequel to the end of A:TLA than what Gene Yang pumped out.

Yeah, I realize this post is mostly off-topic and I apologize, but as it implies, I have very low hopes for The Promise Part 2. I will read it, but personally I wouldn't mind if Bryke decided to downgrade The Promise (and all the other ATLA comics) to non-canon status. Would make my week if anything.
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« Reply #611 on: Apr 23, 2012 11:41 pm »

In regards to Toph's students, I think it would have been more interesting if she was teaching adults. What I would kill to see Toph teach Bumi Metalbending.
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« Reply #612 on: Apr 23, 2012 11:42 pm »

^^ We have a topic for Part 1 too, you know. Smiley
http://forums.avatarspirit.net/index.php?topic=20656.0
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« Reply #613 on: Apr 24, 2012 01:45 am »

Well, they go for the sparkly bishie boys, obviously. American comics still haven't embraced the Ambiguous Gender look.

I know I haven't posted here in a long time but I've been lurking due to the excellence that is Korra.

Anyways I seriously hope you are joking (and I apologize for this rant if you are) with this post and the naked girl thing. I am sorry but if you think that is what manga encompasses than you have no idea what you are talking about. I will not make stereotypes about American comics because I know I do not have a wide enough breadth of knowledge.

But Manga covers a wide variety of genres & art styles and it is aimed at men, women, boys, and girls. I can't say why manga is popular (and if anything I don't think it is that popular in the US) but I know I like it (and as an extension anime as well) for the same reason I love Avatar for the well developed characters and plot. I expect that is why other people are fans as well, not because of naked girls or pretty boys.

Mainstream American comics mostly consist of bad male soap operas coated with physically impossible female and male figures that have a bit of plot that goes nowhere. No one dies and are brought back, endlessly rebooted, and all consequences of death are degraded to nothing.Some manga take it a step farther and that's why there's Hentai. American comics are rarely adapted into animation unless its. the. same. thing. over and over again, or if it's the rare different one which gets canned or is a cult hit. For manga, it seems like rabbits are making anime bunnies with several different ones. Not sure what's really mainstream in manga....
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« Reply #614 on: Apr 24, 2012 06:45 pm »

Not sure what's really mainstream in manga....

Well the most read is the same in Japan as it is in the US and that would be the Shounen Jump titles. Shounen Jump has by far the largest circulation numbers and although there is tons of manga for girls..the best selling anthology for girls is not any shoujo manga but again Shounen Jump.

However while series like Bleach & Naruto are probably the most well known here, in Japan One Piece is by far the most popular (in fact it is the best selling manga ever). What is curious about One Piece however is it's not just pre-teens & teens reading it (your normal readership of Shounen Jump) but a very large percentage of adults (both men & women). So if you are talking mainstream in Japan, well you don't get more mainstream than One Piece. They even did a special TV program on the NHK (which would be equivalent to PBS here) where they questioned why One Piece resonated with so many adults in Japan.

So yeah One Piece is very mainstream. I honestly don't think there is an equivalent reaction to manga here. But even in Japan while I think people might read manga on the trains (it's more acceptable than anime for sure) I wouldn't call it mainstream. Liking manga and especially anime is also very much a niche in Japan.

But mainstream or not the point stands there is a very broad range of topics that manga covers: from typical action/adventure stuff, to slice of life, to sports, to horror, to romance,  even  manga focused on careers, and so forth.
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« Reply #615 on: Apr 24, 2012 08:10 pm »

Well, they go for the sparkly bishie boys, obviously. American comics still haven't embraced the Ambiguous Gender look.

I know I haven't posted here in a long time but I've been lurking due to the excellence that is Korra.

Anyways I seriously hope you are joking (and I apologize for this rant if you are) with this post and the naked girl thing. I am sorry but if you think that is what manga encompasses than you have no idea what you are talking about. I will not make stereotypes about American comics because I know I do not have a wide enough breadth of knowledge.

But Manga covers a wide variety of genres & art styles and it is aimed at men, women, boys, and girls. I can't say why manga is popular (and if anything I don't think it is that popular in the US) but I know I like it (and as an extension anime as well) for the same reason I love Avatar for the well developed characters and plot. I expect that is why other people are fans as well, not because of naked girls or pretty boys.

Mainstream American comics mostly consist of bad male soap operas coated with physically impossible female and male figures that have a bit of plot that goes nowhere. No one dies and are brought back, endlessly rebooted, and all consequences of death are degraded to nothing.Some manga take it a step farther and that's why there's Hentai. American comics are rarely adapted into animation unless its. the. same. thing. over and over again, or if it's the rare different one which gets canned or is a cult hit. For manga, it seems like rabbits are making anime bunnies with several different ones. Not sure what's really mainstream in manga....
Funny thing is the cartoon adaptions of American comics are usually better.
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« Reply #616 on: Apr 24, 2012 09:19 pm »

I'm going to suggest that if you want to continue about manga, anime, etc to do so in the other appropriate threads.

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Thanks. Now, as for some of my guesses for the Promise part deux, I would love to see some of the nitty gritty political aspects of this Harmony Restoration Movement. Also, finding some air bison would be awesome.
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« Reply #617 on: Apr 24, 2012 09:41 pm »

I definitely want to see Aang and Katara finding a female bison for Appa.  That would be cool. 
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« Reply #618 on: Apr 24, 2012 10:03 pm »

I apologize for being part of bringing the thread off topic!

As for what I want to see in the Promise....well although I am mostly pleased with it I am a bit disappointed that it is Zuko VS the Gaang (well mainly Katara & Aang) again. Now I know they aren't enemies and it is just some differences they are trying to work out...but I really want some specifically Zuko & Aang bonding times. So hopefully when they come up with the idea to form Republic City their friendship will shine through.

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« Reply #619 on: Apr 25, 2012 07:09 pm »

Yeah, that's also another issue I have with these comics. I just watched practically the entire show of Zuko and the gaang hating each other, I'd like to see more time of them being friends and all the gaang members bonding more with each other and Zuko, rather than having them both try to kill each other again. Only this time it's literal from the gaang's perspective anyway. Not that Zuko didn't instigate his potential murder.... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #620 on: Apr 26, 2012 04:26 pm »


I don't think part 2 features much of the fire nation or the political arc though, it sounds like it's mostly gonna be about Toph and Sokka's shenanigans, a more light-hearted version of "Bitter Work". Possibly the equivalent of a filler episode.
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« Reply #621 on: May 02, 2012 06:15 pm »


I don't think part 2 features much of the fire nation or the political arc though, it sounds like it's mostly gonna be about Toph and Sokka's shenanigans, a more light-hearted version of "Bitter Work". Possibly the equivalent of a filler episode.

But that's a whole third of a story, that's more cheap filler than most breakfast cereals.
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« Reply #622 on: May 02, 2012 06:32 pm »

I didn't want to be the one to point that out, but yeah. Cheesy It's kind of like a bad Season 3 episode, where the gAang does unimportant stuff and Zuko takes a microscopic step further along on his character arc. Except Zuko's character arc this time is a rehash of his last one, and the gAang's unimportant stuff doesn't conclude with a cool fight scene.
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« Reply #623 on: May 04, 2012 04:25 am »

I just found this review Smiley
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« Reply #624 on: May 04, 2012 04:29 am »

^Will read... Later.
I didn't want to be the one to point that out, but yeah. Cheesy It's kind of like a bad Season 3 episode, where the gAang does unimportant stuff and Zuko takes a microscopic step further along on his character arc. Except Zuko's character arc this time is a rehash of his last one, and the gAang's unimportant stuff doesn't conclude with a cool fight scene.

That doesn't sound very fun...
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