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Author Topic: Amon -- Who is he? What is he? Why does he have those powers? Etc  (Read 252647 times)
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« Reply #3150 on: Sep 03, 2013 10:56 pm »

Katara couldn't even unblock Ty Lee's chi effects, and that didn't even involve bending. I don't know why you guys expect her to be able to do anything about this.

What? Having 70 years of experience and getting better at it isn't a good enough of a reason?

I'm with Wan here, despite Katara's years of healing experience, Amon's chi-blocking was something that took modern techniques and twisted them into something even the best of the best couldn't figure out.
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« Reply #3151 on: Sep 04, 2013 02:22 pm »

But she detected the blocked up chi. She knew exactly what was going on when the Terra Team was hit by Ty Lee and she tried to heal them.

But I guess Katara wasn't called into help until Korra lost her powers; everyone else was beneath Katara's notice, and no other Waterbender Healer in the world was capable of diagnosing the issue.

Wait, old!Katara was able to "see" what was going on: "Korra can still airbend, but her connection to the other elements has been severed."

 
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« Reply #3152 on: Sep 04, 2013 05:37 pm »

That's such a vague and obvious statement I didn't realize it was a medical diagnosis. Cheesy
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« Reply #3153 on: Sep 05, 2013 05:29 pm »

"Dam* it, Korra! I'm a doctor, not a deus ex machina!"
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« Reply #3154 on: Sep 06, 2013 01:30 am »

*cue Deus ex machinAang*
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« Reply #3155 on: Sep 06, 2013 01:39 am »

That's such a vague and obvious statement I didn't realize it was a medical diagnosis. Cheesy

Exactly, it's so obvious why would it even bear repeating unless she was expressing she had actually "seen" the connections that had been pinched off?

Eh, this is such a minor point I wonder why I'm defending it so much.
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« Reply #3156 on: Sep 06, 2013 03:00 am »

^There were people waiting for her to tell them what's going on. What was she supposed to tell them? "Get lost, what do I know what's with her?"? She had to tell them something. The fact that she said the obvious meant that she didn't know what happened.
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« Reply #3157 on: Sep 06, 2013 04:46 pm »

I doubt someone trained in sensing the body's pathways didn't know what was going on.

What do you want from her, a detailed explanation of the different chakras or names of specific chi paths? I think that's a little beyond the scope of a kid's show about fantasy powers. Or perhaps a repeat of the chakras associated with the elements that we already know? (that would be a neat little continuity nod, but by no stretch is it necessary)
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« Reply #3158 on: Sep 06, 2013 05:02 pm »

^I'm pretty sure you missed my point. What I was trying to say is that by stating the obvious she basically said she had no clue what to do. You said that her line means that she knew something. All I'm saying is that it's just an assumption because she didn't know what else to tell them. It's not like she was able to specify exactly where that disconnection happened or how it happened or at least something. That's the same as going to dentist and being diagnosed with a bad tooth. Yeah, thanks, it could still be bunch of stuff. I can have a hole in it, it could be getting spoiled, the root could be dying or other stuff. The only thing it says is that the doctor has no clue how to diagnose it.
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« Reply #3159 on: Sep 06, 2013 07:43 pm »

Looking back at the healing class, where they had a dummy with carved grooves in it, knowing she is a bloodbender, and as others have said, 70 years experience with healing, I will say again that it's unlikely she couldn't see what was going on.

It's more akin to how a doctor doesn't have to go into detail about the exact cellular pathways that are involved in poisoning, venom, or an allergic reaction to treat you. (Unless you want that kind of thing. Most people don't care, and especially don't want to hear about what's causing them pain- it doesn't physiologically help. Or psychologically, for some.) Except she doesn't have an antidote at present, so the body has to ride it out.
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« Reply #3160 on: Sep 06, 2013 09:54 pm »

Except even if a doctor doesn't go into the exact cellular pathways involved in a poisoning, they'll typically offer more of an explanation than, "The poison is killing your body. Sorry." I have no knowledge of medicine, but even I could handle, "The poison did damage to your heart that can't be repaired, and in a matter of time it will cease to be able to beat."

Katara could have said something like, "The physical pathways in Korra's body that allow her to bend the three elements have been crushed. Only the ones keeping her alive and allowing for Airbending still flow. To fix them would require power and knowledge of Korra's body that is beyond the greatest living healers."

That doesn't sound overpoweringly technical, does it?
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« Reply #3161 on: Sep 06, 2013 11:12 pm »

No, it sounds exactly like what she said, in more sentences.
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« Reply #3162 on: Sep 06, 2013 11:19 pm »

To be honest, I don't see what difference it makes if Katara had pulled out charts and explained the chi-paths at length or just said something vaguely medical had happened, either way Katara's point would've been that healing wasn't enough for whatever Amon had done and it took a last minute intervention from Aang to fix it.  
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« Reply #3163 on: Sep 08, 2013 02:27 pm »

The difference is that the vagueness left a lot of people completely confused about Amon and his powers, to the point that the Mike and the Bryan had to explain it after the fact, and that resulted in Aang's Deus Ex Machina falling flat and further confusing people.

Also, the idea that there are multiple possible ch-paths, one for each Bending, is very silly and it needs a good presentation in order not to sound like a cheap contrivance.
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« Reply #3164 on: Sep 08, 2013 06:14 pm »

The Deus Ex Machina still would've felt flat regardless.

Is it silly, though? Guru Pathik said each chakra was associated with an element.
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« Reply #3165 on: Sep 09, 2013 08:05 am »

Is it silly, though? Guru Pathik said each chakra was associated with an element.

He did... is there a listing somewhere that tells us his view of things?
When I recall right, the M & the B. tried to copy the info from ayurvedic knowledge...
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« Reply #3166 on: Sep 09, 2013 09:33 am »

well, there is the eposide transcript of The Guru. he describes the chackras as being a linear chain of 'floodgates', that must all be open for chi to flow through. This was only for reaching the Avatar State though. he said nothing about the state of each independent chakra linking to, or influencing a corresponding bending element or ability.

the M & the B. tried to copy the info from ayurvedic knowledge...

a simplistic approach, but yes. to function right, one must work on all Chakras. they are 'stacked' in a sense.
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« Reply #3167 on: Sep 09, 2013 04:29 pm »

Is it silly, though? Guru Pathik said each chakra was associated with an element.

He did... is there a listing somewhere that tells us his view of things?
When I recall right, the M & the B. tried to copy the info from ayurvedic knowledge...
he said nothing about the state of each independent chakra linking to, or influencing a corresponding bending element or ability.

Right, but each of them is named for an element. I know it's just speculation, but it seems significant.
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« Reply #3168 on: Sep 09, 2013 04:52 pm »

Is it silly, though? Guru Pathik said each chakra was associated with an element.

He did... is there a listing somewhere that tells us his view of things?
When I recall right, the M & the B. tried to copy the info from ayurvedic knowledge...
he said nothing about the state of each independent chakra linking to, or influencing a corresponding bending element or ability.

Right, but each of them is named for an element. I know it's just speculation, but it seems significant.

Considering when Aang didn't unlock his final chakra, he lost his connection to the Avatar State, I don't think it would be that much of a leap to assume that blocking an independent chakra would be linked to an element for which it's named.
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« Reply #3169 on: Sep 09, 2013 05:41 pm »

I think it would be a huge and completely illogical leap. Aang's chakras were about nothing more than being Spiritually pure and in control enough to command the Avatar State. It was about opening himself to the cosmic energies.

That has nothing to do with Bending.
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« Reply #3170 on: Sep 09, 2013 07:00 pm »

The Avatar State has nothing to do with bending? Hm.
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« Reply #3171 on: Sep 09, 2013 07:27 pm »

So you're saying bending doesn't have anything to do with spiritually then?  Undecided
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« Reply #3172 on: Sep 09, 2013 08:13 pm »

^ Eh, the creators said being a bender was based on some spirituality factor, but that doesn't seem fair to all the chill nonbenders and antagonistic benders.

I thought, though, that it was implied that the dragon's method of bending was stronger in general than the normal style for the individual person.
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« Reply #3173 on: Sep 09, 2013 09:01 pm »

The Avatar State has nothing to do with bending? Hm.

Haru is the Avatar? Hm.
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« Reply #3174 on: Sep 09, 2013 09:18 pm »

^ Eh, the creators said being a bender was based on some spirituality factor, but that doesn't seem fair to all the chill nonbenders and antagonistic benders.

I thought, though, that it was implied that the dragon's method of bending was stronger in general than the normal style for the individual person.

chill =/= spiritual

And antagonism is relative
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