AvatarSpirit.Net
Mar 30, 2017 10:17 am *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News:
ASN Mainsite: AvatarSpirit.net
 
   Home   Help Login Register  
Poll
Question: Rate This Episode:
10 - 66 (35.9%)
9 - 42 (22.8%)
8 - 47 (25.5%)
7 - 17 (9.2%)
6 - 6 (3.3%)
5 - 1 (0.5%)
4 - 0 (0%)
3 - 1 (0.5%)
2 - 1 (0.5%)
1 - 3 (1.6%)
Total Voters: 175

Pages: « previous page   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: [203] Return To Omashu  (Read 19634 times)
Loopy
Never Gonna Give Yue Up

Offline Offline

Posts: 31123


I'm Loooooooopy!


« Reply #125 on: Oct 25, 2013 07:20 pm »

I didn't become a fan of Mai until I started writing ATLA fanfic, after the finale aired, but is it really that hard to remember "Those Two Girls Who Follow Azula?" They're even The Perky One and the Gloomy One. It's a classic dynamic that should come to mind instantly because it's everywhere.
Logged

Avatar Epsilon
Never Gonna Give Yue Up

Offline Offline

Posts: 2891


I can't think of anything clever to say.


« Reply #126 on: Oct 25, 2013 07:39 pm »

Yeah, I'm not really sure what my friend was thinking. I'll admit that Mai is far from my favorite character but I wouldn't call her forgettable. When I asked my friend how she could forget about her she didn't really have an answer.
Logged

"Occasionally punching a guy with an electric glove does not make Asami a strong female character." (As said by me)
Hawkflame
Never Gonna Give Yue Up

Offline Offline

Posts: 149


Don't cross the Melon Lord


« Reply #127 on: Oct 26, 2013 12:32 am »

To me, it's not that Mai's unmemorable, but rather that she's not as interesting as some of the other characters, at least not until later in the series. 

Or maybe it's that Ty Lee stands out more (she's an antagonist, but a perky and cheerful one) so Mai doesn't leave as much of an impression in comparison.
Logged
Furudo Erika
Banned Member
Never Gonna Give Yue Up

Offline Offline

Posts: 2468


King of Heroes, Gilgamesh


« Reply #128 on: Oct 26, 2013 12:07 pm »

*gasp*, What? Mai is boring? Wut, no! Sad
Logged
Loopy
Never Gonna Give Yue Up

Offline Offline

Posts: 31123


I'm Loooooooopy!


« Reply #129 on: Oct 26, 2013 03:49 pm »

I think Mai is potentially very interesting, but that potential wasn't even highlighted by the cartoon, let alone turned into something solid. It didn't help that all but the biggest point in Mai's arc occurred off-screen.

Another thing is that Mai often got shortchanged in the action sequences in favor of Ty Lee, because of their fighting styles. Mai could never do more than pin a character to something solid, and that would always end a fight. So, if the heroes had to win, she had to be completely ineffective. Compare Ty Lee, who could hit Sokka but the fight would still keep going, or who could end a fight easily and nonlethally.
Logged

Avatar Epsilon
Never Gonna Give Yue Up

Offline Offline

Posts: 2891


I can't think of anything clever to say.


« Reply #130 on: Oct 26, 2013 06:11 pm »

Ty Lee actually got  the short end of the stick in season 3 though. Mai was in quite a bit of episodes...Ty Lee on the other hand was hardly in it at all. She was in the Beach...Boiling Rock Part 2...and then a minute in the finale. Mai got way more screen time ten Ty Lee did.
Logged

"Occasionally punching a guy with an electric glove does not make Asami a strong female character." (As said by me)
Loopy
Never Gonna Give Yue Up

Offline Offline

Posts: 31123


I'm Loooooooopy!


« Reply #131 on: Oct 26, 2013 06:30 pm »

Yes, but all of Mai's screentime was as an accessory to Zuko, and as I said, the moments where she made her important decisions were all between scenes.

Really, both Mai and Ty Lee were treated badly, in different ways.
Logged

Avatar Epsilon
Never Gonna Give Yue Up

Offline Offline

Posts: 2891


I can't think of anything clever to say.


« Reply #132 on: Oct 26, 2013 08:04 pm »

Well they weren't really main characters. They weren't meant to get a lot of screen time. They were meant to just be accessories for the other characters, whether it be Azula or Zuko or someone else.
Logged

"Occasionally punching a guy with an electric glove does not make Asami a strong female character." (As said by me)
Loopy
Never Gonna Give Yue Up

Offline Offline

Posts: 31123


I'm Loooooooopy!


« Reply #133 on: Oct 27, 2013 02:06 pm »

Fair point, and I agree in principle, but I just think that there could have room for them to be a bit more developed and get more visible arcs, had the Fire Nation cast as a whole been handled a bit better. But then this gets back to my guiding principle that The Beach was a waste of a tremendous opportunity, and Zuko's arc in early Book 3 was poorly done as a whole.
Logged

Avatar Epsilon
Never Gonna Give Yue Up

Offline Offline

Posts: 2891


I can't think of anything clever to say.


« Reply #134 on: Oct 27, 2013 04:05 pm »

I actually really liked the Beach for what it was but I agree with you on Zuko early season 3. I wouldn't say it was poorly done but it could have been handled better. He should of had more b-plots during weaker episodes like "The Painted Lady" to help develop his story more.
Logged

"Occasionally punching a guy with an electric glove does not make Asami a strong female character." (As said by me)
Colonel_Brian
Never Gonna Give Yue Up

Offline Offline

Posts: 3937



« Reply #135 on: Jan 01, 2015 12:49 pm »

I didn't really like this episode. Sure Mai and Ty Lee were fun, but it was kind of a boring, although necessary episode. I did not like the animation and I thought the fight was kind of sloppy. DR took a lot of shortcuts. Moving on, I liked the bits with the rebellion, but the part where they brrak out of Omashu was kind of silly. I don't mind people acting stupid, but when stupidity drives the plot, that is when it becomes problematic.
Logged
luvavatar
Never Gonna Give Yue Up

Offline Offline

Posts: 7777


« Reply #136 on: Aug 07, 2016 10:30 pm »

I just realized that it would've been a terrible idea to drive out the people with "pentapox". They believe the citizens are all infected with a deadly, highly contagious disease. It actually makes more sense to quarantine the people as opposed to letting them leave and therefore allowing the disease to spread. They saw ONE person have it and then within less than 24 hours the entire city was infected, why allow that to go across the continent and ravage everything? Azula was right in that Mai's father wasn't fit to rule.
Logged
UnownLegend
Never Gonna Give Yue Up

Offline Offline

Posts: 2716


Thank you Returnable Memory for the set!


« Reply #137 on: Aug 08, 2016 01:25 am »

haha thats a funny point i never considered. i don't think the fire nation was overly concerned about the well being of the earth kingdom.

however now i wanna see an au where pentapox was actually a real thing and omashu becomes the last bastion against a zombie apocalypse
Logged

Yougo
Never Gonna Give Yue Up

Offline Offline

Posts: 3449


Respect the Screaming bird!


« Reply #138 on: Aug 08, 2016 02:17 am »

a city like omashu could produce enough sick people to have a leper colony of sorts, so faking a disease outbreak my very well get you escorted out of the city, but you might not like the place they escort you to...
Logged

sig by me.
keeper of: the Screaming bird's horrible shreak; The Bendig Mark.
Colonel_Brian
Never Gonna Give Yue Up

Offline Offline

Posts: 3937



« Reply #139 on: Aug 08, 2016 12:05 pm »

Off the cliff to the bottom of the canyon!

Yeah, the intelligence of the Fire Nation whenever they come into contact with our heroes isn't very encouraging. I like to think that the other provincial governors were more politically savvy than Ukano.
« Last Edit: Aug 08, 2016 06:10 pm by Colonel_Brian » Logged
Loopy
Never Gonna Give Yue Up

Offline Offline

Posts: 31123


I'm Loooooooopy!


« Reply #140 on: Aug 08, 2016 06:09 pm »

That's why I characterize Ukano as a military engineer who spun his success with deployable bridges and connections in the capital to a governor position. He's the second-most incompetent character behind the guard who thought the lemur was Earthbending.
Logged

Colonel_Brian
Never Gonna Give Yue Up

Offline Offline

Posts: 3937



« Reply #141 on: Aug 08, 2016 09:16 pm »

That's what I think as well. Though perhaps we can touch on his connections to the capital a bit more. Do you think we can put Ukano in the camp that pretended to accept the official story regarding Ozai's ascension to the throne? I read a comment that more or less argued the same point for why people didn't raise a big fuss about Ozai's ascension, they likely knew that nodding along meant that they'd be rewarded with a promotion. I like to think that Ukano and Zhao benefited the way they did, because they excelled in this sort of behavior.
« Last Edit: Aug 08, 2016 09:20 pm by Colonel_Brian » Logged
Loopy
Never Gonna Give Yue Up

Offline Offline

Posts: 31123


I'm Loooooooopy!


« Reply #142 on: Aug 08, 2016 09:22 pm »

I think it would fit with what we know of him. Mai was already close friends with Azula at the time of Ozai's ascension, so I figure he would be more than happy to not think too hard about how Ozai suddenly got the crown. Especially if he's an engineer, he would know that suspicions aren't the same as evidence of any wrongdoing.
Logged

luvavatar
Never Gonna Give Yue Up

Offline Offline

Posts: 7777


« Reply #143 on: Aug 08, 2016 09:49 pm »

Not only was she friends with Azula, Ozai becoming Fire Lord meant that his son would be his successor. Mai as a noblewoman would be a suitable match for the crown prince.
Logged
Colonel_Brian
Never Gonna Give Yue Up

Offline Offline

Posts: 3937



« Reply #144 on: Aug 08, 2016 09:51 pm »

I guessed he got unlucky since Zuko was banished. Does that suggest that Tom Tom would have married Azula once he became of marrying age? That sounds like a reasonable back up.
« Last Edit: Aug 08, 2016 09:53 pm by Colonel_Brian » Logged
Yougo
Never Gonna Give Yue Up

Offline Offline

Posts: 3449


Respect the Screaming bird!


« Reply #145 on: Aug 09, 2016 06:25 am »

sounds like a reasonable back up.
right up until Azula has him for breakfast, yes.

are we shipping Tom Tula now because of that one kidnapping scene? Tongue
Logged

sig by me.
keeper of: the Screaming bird's horrible shreak; The Bendig Mark.
Loopy
Never Gonna Give Yue Up

Offline Offline

Posts: 31123


I'm Loooooooopy!


« Reply #146 on: Aug 09, 2016 05:43 pm »

Sadly, we never got that Arranged Marriage subplot for Azula, so we don't really know how it works in the Fire Nation. We were originally told that Ozai and Ursa were arranged, but now The Search has rendered that non-canon, so for all we know, Fire Nation elites could marry for love (when they're not kidnapping mates for eugenics experiments), so Mai's Parents could have thought they lost their chance when Zuko was kicked out.

Of course, I fanfic'd an alternative course, where Ozai replaced Zuko with Azula on Mai's marriage contract just so that he could keep the dowry. Zuko had it fixed again later.
Logged

Pages: « previous page   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines LLC
MySQL | PHP | XHTML | CSS